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X5-400M noise floor & Magnitude vs frequ graphs

 
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grprg



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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:11 pm    Post subject: X5-400M noise floor & Magnitude vs frequ graphs Reply with quote

Dear customer support,

Could you please answer the following questions related to the X5-400M:

a) Referring to a Magnitude vs frequency graph provided by the Binview application, could you confirm that your dB scale simply corresponds to 20Log(half amplitude of the A/D Input [V])?

b) If we consider the noise floor (no A/D input, no cables plugged to the card) of an Amplitude vs Time graph provided by the Binview application (see for example Graph A or Graph B of the attached document), could you explain why channel 0 and channel 1 do not have a similar level of tension output? We were expecting that the noise signal of channels 1 and 2 matches since the card is supposed to be factory calibrated. Moreover, we observed that sometimes, the noise signals of channels 1 and 2 were matching for some other X5-400M. Do we have to calibrate the offset of channel 1 and 2 in order that they match and correspond to a same noise floor?

c) Then, if we observe a Magnitude vs frequency graph of the noise floor signal of channels 1 or 2, we noticed that the choice of an internal or external clock do randomly affect the apparition of peaks arising from the noise floor (see for example graphs I-L). Sometimes, with internal clock, the noise floor has less peaks, and sometimes, at the opposite, the noise floor has less peaks with the external clock (we are always using the same external clock, same cables, very same configuration of the experiment, only the choice of the clock source in the software is modified). The same trend is observed for various frequencies, with, as always a smaller number of peaks arising from the noise floor for clock frequencies below 200MHz .
Please, could you keep an eye to the graphs in attachment and tell us if that are typical Amplitude vs time or typical Magnitude vs frequencies observed with your X5-400M.

Thanks a lot!

Thanks a lot!
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jherring



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a) Referring to a Magnitude vs frequency graph provided by the Binview application, could you confirm that your dB scale simply corresponds to 20Log(half amplitude of the A/D Input [V])?


The 0 dB line in BinView is the full scale input level for the A/D device (i.e. the dB scale is really dBFS). You will see a 0 dB peak level in the frequency domain plot if you are connecting a full scale input signal at the A/D input connector on the X5-400M, which defaults to +/-1 V. Note that you must have the bit resolution in the BinView Data Source dialog set to match your converter's bit reolution (click the folder icon in the upper left hand corner of the plot display and set the number field in "Each data sample contains ___ significant bits" to the bit resolution of your A/D). In the case of the X5-400M, it should be set to 14.


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b) If we consider the noise floor (no A/D input, no cables plugged to the card) of an Amplitude vs Time graph provided by the Binview application (see for example Graph A or Graph B of the attached document), could you explain why channel 0 and channel 1 do not have a similar level of tension output? We were expecting that the noise signal of channels 1 and 2 matches since the card is supposed to be factory calibrated. Moreover, we observed that sometimes, the noise signals of channels 1 and 2 were matching for some other X5-400M. Do we have to calibrate the offset of channel 1 and 2 in order that they match and correspond to a same noise floor?


Please double-check that calibration is active by clicking on the EEPROM tab in the SNAP example and verifying the Calibrated check box is checked. Also please note that if you have an X5-400M with AC-coupled inputs that you may see small DC offsets as a consequence.

The X5-400M gain and offset correction is calibrated at production time to an AC signal source, and the offset values calculated from the difference in peaks of the AC waveform. This will result in the card being calibrated to any errors in our source, but does not explain why the two channels are different. It may be the case that there is enough leakage in one channel versus the other that could cause the small offset differences you're seeing.

Also please try a test where the inputs are grounded (ideally as close to the SMA connector as possible, if possible with an SMA grounding plug), in case the offset effect is due to the cables in use.

If you require extremely low offset levels, it may be necessary to calibrate the X5-400M to your signal sources to minimize the offsets.


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c) Then, if we observe a Magnitude vs frequency graph of the noise floor signal of channels 1 or 2, we noticed that the choice of an internal or external clock do randomly affect the apparition of peaks arising from the noise floor (see for example graphs I-L). Sometimes, with internal clock, the noise floor has less peaks, and sometimes, at the opposite, the noise floor has less peaks with the external clock (we are always using the same external clock, same cables, very same configuration of the experiment, only the choice of the clock source in the software is modified). The same trend is observed for various frequencies, with, as always a smaller number of peaks arising from the noise floor for clock frequencies below 200MHz .


Are you saying that the observed spurs vary from run to run with the same clock setup? Or that they vary from run to run if you alternate clock sources? I do not have an explanation for why spurs would appear randomly when running under the same clock source, unless there is a random noise source in the external clock signal connection. Try running using internal clock mode with no cable connected to the clock input and see if the spurs quiet down. This would indicate noise pickup in the external clock cabling or in the source.

Note that you should disable your external clock when making runs from the internal clock source as the external clock will mix with the internal clock and will be viewable in the sampled A/D data. It may be necessary to disconnect the external clock source if it does not have a disable feature or there is still signal energy present on the output connector when the signal is disabled.

Also note that you may see different spur amplitudes or spurs at different locations if you vary the sample rate. This would be due to high frequency noise sources aliasing with the sample rate and causing spurs in the sampled A/D data that move with respect to sample rate.

Referring to the plots you sent where no signal was input but that there were spurs present, this does not look like typical data for an X5-400M with a grounded input. I suspect you may have some noise sources in the input connection even when the source is disabled (I assume the source was still connected for these plots) that are being acquired by the A/Ds. Try the same test conditions with an SMA grounding plug and see if some or all of the spurs go away.
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